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Posted by: kme ®
03/13/2010, 14:18:59

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Hello,
When I started retraining I was not able to play classical guitar.RH middle finger curled into the palm of the hand and pulled index/ring fingers in too.The little finger stood straight out.When the fingers came close to the strings this thing happened.Now,after many months of retraining I have progressed a lot.If I am a little bit careful I can play some easy pieces of music and some studies.But I still feel that I lose some of the connection brain/finger.It is kind of loose in the joints,reduced feeling and some stiffness.I am not shure what to do with that.

And there is another problem that I struggle with.

When I pluck a string with I/A finger they kind of bounce back to the start posision by themselves,but when I pluck with M finger it stops half way out,I have press it out to the start posision.This happends when I move the fingers slow.

Do you have a good advise or some exersises for this spesific problem?

Thanks,




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Posted by: guitarist ®
03/15/2010, 07:18:41

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"When I pluck a string with I/A finger they kind of bounce back to the start posision by themselves,but when I pluck with M finger it stops half way out,I have press it out to the start posision.This happends when I move the fingers slow."

Troubleshooting anything like this is a bit like untangling the spaghetti on someone's plate with a blindfold on :-) A video would help.

What if you play with M by itself? (ie not in combination with any fingers). If you pick up the guitar, gently pluck an open string with M and feel it relax does it return (however slowly) to starting position?

The sensation of the finger 'emptying' completely of tension once it has played is important. The trouble is it only takes a tiny amount of tension to hold a finger in a slightly flexed or slightly extended position and it is very easy with FD to not notice that tension is there.




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Posted by: kme ®
03/15/2010, 14:30:37

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Youre absolutly wright that were retraining the hole hand.

Sorry that I dont have a video of the hand in action.

I have tried to pluck with M alone.Sometimes it returns to the start position,sometimes it doesnt.It could be that tension is the bad gay,but I try to be as relaxed as possible when I do my exersises.Its more the feeling of the finger thats different from time to time.

By the way,I think I have found a good exersise for the dystonic M finger(the finger that used to curl into the palm of the hand.Had no control over that finger.Now I have a certain degree of control).I place I/C on the second string and pluck the first/third string with M/A.It feels good when I do this.Kind of give me more control.But I have to do this for a longer period of time and see what happends.




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Posted by: guitarist ®
03/16/2010, 05:26:19

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Yes, touching/resting non playing fingers on strings can help stabilise things. I used to plant my little finger on the sound board which helped a lot with certain arpeggios. Note also my technique here:
http://www.dystonia-bb.org/forums/mwd/posts/2330.html

..which is a nice way of weaning yourself off supporting fingers.

The trouble is with these things is that, like the 'latex glove trick', the initial boost/improvement you get from the proprioceptive feedback is great and its easy to get carried away and just play, only to find that pretty soon the FD has 'adjusted' to take account of the new stimulus, the novelty wears off.

It's what you DO with the novelty that's the important thing. Any change /alteration or temporary improvement is an opportunity to work with and not to be blown.

With your M finger I would work on P-M alternations on a single string - get a metronome out and work out what tempo you CAN reliably return it every time by total relaxation and a light touch, not by 'forcing' or interfering with what it wants to do. Try it legato and sometimes staccato (by planting early), try different strings, loud and quiet. All variety helps.

Even if this means one pluck every two seconds, do it. I worked for months on stuff like this to build the foundations to move onto more complex things.

If the rest of your hand works reasonably well in combinations not involving M, then do those, you can always introduce M at a later stage. Grab a copy of something like Giuliani's 120 right hand studies, which is fantastic re-training material (I use the Berg edition which is excellent and improves on the original).

Substitute PIAC for PIMA fingering, for example, and away you go.



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Posted by: kme ®
03/16/2010, 09:35:20

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Thanks man!

I'm going to try the things you suggested.

The substitute PIAC for PIMA is good.

Yes,Giulianis right hand studies is great retraining stuff!




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